which 3 pve skill is the most useful/best ? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Dzjudz · Jan 26, 2010, 04:06 AM // 04:06

Discord needs a hex and a condition (or enchant and condition, but it's usually hex and condition).

AP + YMLAD gives a hex and a condition at the same time if you cast them simultaneously. YMLAD does unconditional damage, only 10 less than necrosis at max rank. The KD and cripple is a nice benefit, especially since in PvE enemies are predictable so you can interrupt their first skill with YMLAD.

Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A.

Finish Him makes it easier for the minions to finish the kill and it does a lot of damage (80 + deep wound (which is usually 100) = 180).

karlik · Jan 26, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I've been doing a lot of HM vanquishing - after some trial and error I like everything YMLAD does - knockdown, fair damage, possible interrupt and slows those buggers down so we can hit 'em.

Arctica · Jan 26, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26

My absolute favourites are YMLAD, EVAS and Pain Iverter.

However, I use Mindbender, Pain Inverter and "By Ural's Hammer" on my necro's bar. I usually run an SS-MoP build, which works great with Mindender and "By Ural's Hammer." And Pain Inverter is excellent for high damage bosses, and can work as a cover hex, if needed.

aspi · Jan 26, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Depends on mu character, my Necro always has necrosis, fast recharge and 5 nrg? It's a no brainer, pain inverter is very nice depending on the enemies ofcourse but in HM it is awesome. Against bosses like the great destroyer it just rocks.
EVAS is great too, but in HM some enemies can kill it pretty quick, but also can be used to have him take the first damage wave.

I used to have YMLAD on my bar but I see myself rather using the other three.

My warrior does not leave without whirlwind, my rit has splinter weapon, my necro mark of pain. Enemies are dead before they know it. Also use this for my ranger, sin and dervish

But I don't have any kurzick or luxon pve skills yet, I really gotta go further with factions :S

Silmar Alech · Jan 26, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34

It depends on the profession I play. On casters/ranged classes I almost always carry Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, along with Pain Inverter. The third one varies with the profession. On my a Necro and Ele it is Necrosis. On my Mesmer I carry Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare and leave out Pain Inverter. My monk uses only 2 pve skills: Selfless Spirit and Life Seed. My Ritualist as spirit spammer also only carries 2: Summon Spirits and Vampirism. Sometimes I add Great Dwarf Weapon. Warrior gets Whirlwind Attack, "I am unstoppable!" and a variable skill, for example Light of Deldrimor or more defense like Great Dwarf Armor.

Nechrond · Jan 26, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I don't use any rank skills because they make me feel like a cheater, what with all of them being more broken than Jenna Jameson's hymen.

isildorbiafra · Jan 26, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09

No love for SadowForm? Oo my bad; SF is not a skill. Its a build!

Xenomortis · Jan 26, 2010, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

So, FH is a 100% must have .

No it isn't. As I said, I frequently don't have it.

If you run both shouts with EVAS, you will notice your energy dropping (you gain less than you spend). A simple solution is to swap one of the shouts for Mindbender or BuH, or just not use both or EVAS if it isn't necessary.

I suggest everyone from about post #20 actually reads the opening post.

aspi · Jan 26, 2010, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Note to self, read the opening post better.

Ah for a N/a assassins promise, I can't think why I should not bring FH and Necrosis.
While mindbender is nice I don't need this for my AP necro.

Lusciious · Jan 26, 2010, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

No it isn't. As I said, I frequently don't have it.

If you run both shouts with EVAS, you will notice your energy dropping (you gain less than you spend). A simple solution is to swap one of the shouts for Mindbender or BuH, or just not use both or EVAS if it isn't necessary.

I suggest everyone from about post #20 actually reads the opening post.

yeah i don't plan on running both shouts .

I like FH! more than YMLAD . although the unconditional KD / snare is good, FH does up to 180 damage . i find 180 damage much easier to ensure an insta kill after i cast AP .

Riot Narita · Jan 26, 2010, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

what do most people use YMLAD for ? the KD ? or just to help trigger something ?

Frequently used for Discord teams... because it instantly applies the crippled condition, and the KD is just gravy.

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

When i tried using YMLAD (spamming whenever AP recharges it) instead of necrosis, i ran into quite a bit of energy problems even though i've 11 in soul reaping.

I guess your team isn't killing your AP target fast enough, or you're spending too much energy on other skills.

With a Discord team:
cast AP... call target with YMLAD... target is practically insta-gibbed by Discorders... repeat. With 10 in Deadly Arts, each kill gives you back the energy cost of AP + YMLAD...

Dzjudz · Jan 26, 2010, 04:14 PM // 16:14

The problem with FH in an AP/discord team is that you can't instantly apply it, while you can with YMLAD. So if I had to choose 1 of the 2 shouts, I'd definitely go with YMLAD.

Lusciious · Jan 26, 2010, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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guess your team isn't killing your AP target fast enough, or you're spending too much energy on other skills.

With a Discord team:
cast AP... call target with YMLAD... target is practically insta-gibbed by Discorders... repeat. With 10 in Deadly Arts, each kill gives you back the energy cost of AP + YMLAD...

Yeah probably . i only had 2 discorders then . Also, isn't AP supposed to be used when the target is about to die and you ensures that AP doesnt get removed by using FH! ?

Usually this is how i cast . Target/call mob with Barbs/MoP and if another spell is needed, barbs/mop/rigor, then i'd cast EVAS and AP before hes about to die and shout finish him once i finish casting .

sometimes if the opponent is low on hp, i'll just cast EVAS, AP and FH!

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he problem with FH in an AP/discord team is that you can't instantly apply it, while you can with YMLAD. So if I had to choose 1 of the 2 shouts, I'd definitely go with YMLAD.

FH! is a shout so why can't it be applied instantly ? o.o

or were you talking about it only being able to work for foes under 50% hp ?

Dzjudz · Jan 26, 2010, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

Yeah probably . i only had 2 discorders then . Also, isn't AP supposed to be used when the target is about to die and you ensures that AP doesnt get removed by using FH! ?

Usually this is how i cast . Target/call mob with Barbs/MoP and if another spell is needed, barbs/mop/rigor, then i'd cast EVAS and AP before hes about to die and shout finish him once i finish casting .

sometimes if the opponent is low on hp, i'll just cast EVAS, AP and FH!

FH! is a shout so why can't it be applied instantly ? o.o

or were you talking about it only being able to work for foes under 50% hp ?

No, usually you apply AP and YMLAD right away so there's a hex and a condition on the foe so Discord can work. This is why FH isn't as effective, because you'd have to wait until the foe is below 50% hp.

You could do it as you say, cast Barbs/MoP and then a condition inflicting spell (like Enfeebling Blood), but if you cast AP+YMLAD, things go much faster, since the heroes can start casting Discord straight away. After the heroes use Discord and the foe is not dead, then it is time for FH.

Lusciious · Jan 26, 2010, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

No, usually you apply AP and YMLAD right away so there's a hex and a condition on the foe so Discord can work. This is why FH isn't as effective, because you'd have to wait until the foe is below 50% hp.

You could do it as you say, cast Barbs/MoP and then a condition inflicting spell (like Enfeebling Blood), but if you cast AP+YMLAD, things go much faster, since the heroes can start casting Discord straight away. After the heroes use Discord and the foe is not dead, then it is time for FH.

what about hex removals ? i encounter quite alot of hex removals whenever i cast AP first . even if i try to cover it, in HM, monsters cast skills really quickly ..

Cuilan · Jan 26, 2010, 10:57 PM // 22:57

The curses attribute gives you access to many hexes like Mark of Pain, Rigor Mortis, and Barbs. Most areas hex removal isn't that bad even if it is existent.

Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar.

Lusciious · Jan 27, 2010, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Here is how I'd do it . Remember we have barbs which has a short recharge and an optional either weaken armour or enfeebling blood which also have short recharges . So in order to fill the requirements needed for discord , I'd use them instead of AP and YMLAD/enfeebling blood/weaken armour and cast ap before he's about to die and shout FH to ensure no ap removal .

Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help

Dzjudz · Jan 27, 2010, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

what about hex removals ? i encounter quite alot of hex removals whenever i cast AP first . even if i try to cover it, in HM, monsters cast skills really quickly ..

Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A.

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar.

Things are usually dead fast, within a few seconds. PI is insane damage in HM. AP+YMLAD on an ele, then while it's knocked down cast PI on it, it gets up and casts, gets the full blast of discord and PI, no chance.

Or, what I also often do. If there's a group with a couple of eles and a monk for example, I cast PI on the ele and AP+YMLAD call on the monk, taking them both out at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

Here is how I'd do it . Remember we have barbs which has a short recharge and an optional either weaken armour or enfeebling blood which also have short recharges . So in order to fill the requirements needed for discord , I'd use them instead of AP and YMLAD/enfeebling blood/weaken armour and cast ap before he's about to die and shout FH to ensure no ap removal .

I don't quite get what you mean by casting FH to ensure no AP removal. FH doesn't cover AP or anything.

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help

YMLAD instantly gives Cripple, not when the foe gets up (it's a bug). Therefore, casting AP and YMLAD simultaneously gives both a hex and a condition at the same time, you can't beat that even with Mindbender (remember, there are also aftercast delays that Mindbender doesn't affect).

Lusciious · Jan 27, 2010, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Shouting FH simultaneously with AP usually ensures an insta kil at roughly 30-40% hp

Lusciious · Jan 27, 2010, 09:00 AM // 09:00

also,

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Things are usually dead fast, within a few seconds. PI is insane damage in HM. AP+YMLAD on an ele, then while it's knocked down cast PI on it, it gets up and casts, gets the full blast of discord and PI, no chance.

this sounds like a good way to kill . i usually take EVAS over PI because i use barbs . Sometimes i don't like waiting for my necs to spam discord . i'd rather see some damage done now .

Should i drop EVAS for PI ? o.o

i see some hate for PI . look @ post 36 .

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YMLAD instantly gives Cripple, not when the foe gets up (it's a bug). Therefore, casting AP and YMLAD simultaneously gives both a hex and a condition at the same time, you can't beat that even with Mindbender (remember, there are also aftercast delays that Mindbender doesn't affect).

i have to test this out . if this is true, then YMLAD, EVAS / PI and FH! will be the main pve skills on my bar .

So EVAS or PI ?

Jan 26, 2010, 04:06 AM // 04:06	#21
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	Discord needs a hex and a condition (or enchant and condition, but it's usually hex and condition). AP + YMLAD gives a hex and a condition at the same time if you cast them simultaneously. YMLAD does unconditional damage, only 10 less than necrosis at max rank. The KD and cripple is a nice benefit, especially since in PvE enemies are predictable so you can interrupt their first skill with YMLAD. Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A. Finish Him makes it easier for the minions to finish the kill and it does a lot of damage (80 + deep wound (which is usually 100) = 180).

Jan 26, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10	#22
karlik Banned Join Date: Sep 2009	I've been doing a lot of HM vanquishing - after some trial and error I like everything YMLAD does - knockdown, fair damage, possible interrupt and slows those buggers down so we can hit 'em.

Jan 26, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#23
Arctica Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hungary Guild: Ministry of Fate [MoF] Profession: Rt/	My absolute favourites are YMLAD, EVAS and Pain Iverter. However, I use Mindbender, Pain Inverter and "By Ural's Hammer" on my necro's bar. I usually run an SS-MoP build, which works great with Mindender and "By Ural's Hammer." And Pain Inverter is excellent for high damage bosses, and can work as a cover hex, if needed.

Jan 26, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17	#24
aspi Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2010 Guild: eeew Profession: N/Rt	Depends on mu character, my Necro always has necrosis, fast recharge and 5 nrg? It's a no brainer, pain inverter is very nice depending on the enemies ofcourse but in HM it is awesome. Against bosses like the great destroyer it just rocks. EVAS is great too, but in HM some enemies can kill it pretty quick, but also can be used to have him take the first damage wave. I used to have YMLAD on my bar but I see myself rather using the other three. My warrior does not leave without whirlwind, my rit has splinter weapon, my necro mark of pain. Enemies are dead before they know it. Also use this for my ranger, sin and dervish But I don't have any kurzick or luxon pve skills yet, I really gotta go further with factions :S

Jan 26, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34	#25
Silmar Alech Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Europe Guild: Tom Son [TS] Profession: E/	It depends on the profession I play. On casters/ranged classes I almost always carry Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, along with Pain Inverter. The third one varies with the profession. On my a Necro and Ele it is Necrosis. On my Mesmer I carry Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare and leave out Pain Inverter. My monk uses only 2 pve skills: Selfless Spirit and Life Seed. My Ritualist as spirit spammer also only carries 2: Summon Spirits and Vampirism. Sometimes I add Great Dwarf Weapon. Warrior gets Whirlwind Attack, "I am unstoppable!" and a variable skill, for example Light of Deldrimor or more defense like Great Dwarf Armor.

Jan 26, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46	#26
Nechrond Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Netherlands Guild: Utrecht Usurpators Profession: D/	I don't use any rank skills because they make me feel like a cheater, what with all of them being more broken than Jenna Jameson's hymen.

Jan 26, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09	#27
isildorbiafra Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Profession: W/	No love for SadowForm? Oo my bad; SF is not a skill. Its a build!

Jan 26, 2010, 01:45 PM // 13:45	#29
aspi Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2010 Guild: eeew Profession: N/Rt	Note to self, read the opening post better. Ah for a N/a assassins promise, I can't think why I should not bring FH and Necrosis. While mindbender is nice I don't need this for my AP necro.

Jan 26, 2010, 04:14 PM // 16:14	#32
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	The problem with FH in an AP/discord team is that you can't instantly apply it, while you can with YMLAD. So if I had to choose 1 of the 2 shouts, I'd definitely go with YMLAD.

Jan 26, 2010, 10:57 PM // 22:57	#36
Cuilan Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2008 Profession: Me/	The curses attribute gives you access to many hexes like Mark of Pain, Rigor Mortis, and Barbs. Most areas hex removal isn't that bad even if it is existent. Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar.

Jan 27, 2010, 02:53 AM // 02:53	#37
Lusciious Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	Here is how I'd do it . Remember we have barbs which has a short recharge and an optional either weaken armour or enfeebling blood which also have short recharges . So in order to fill the requirements needed for discord , I'd use them instead of AP and YMLAD/enfeebling blood/weaken armour and cast ap before he's about to die and shout FH to ensure no ap removal . Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help

Jan 27, 2010, 04:02 AM // 04:02	#39
Lusciious Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	Shouting FH simultaneously with AP usually ensures an insta kil at roughly 30-40% hp